AusNOG Mailing List Charter
The AusNOG mailing list has been established to provide a forum for
the exchange of technical information, the discussion of specific
implementation issues that require cooperation among internet
infrastructure related service providers (eg ISP/ASP/DC etc), the
discussion of technically focused operational issues, and the discussion
of technical issues relating to provision of internet services and the
various infrastructure related services in the telecommunications
This is NOT a forum for journalists to pick up leads, sales people to
sell things, end-users to pester their ISP, or bush lawyers to posit
their beliefs. Such behaviour will not be tolerated (see "Moderation"
When you post to the AusNOG mailing list any posting made should be
considered as solely being the views of the person making the posting
unless explicitly stated otherwise. You must also remember that any
posting made joins the public domain and is publicly archived, it is
unwise to include any information that would normally require an NDA
of any sort. The responsibility of this vests with the poster.
Note well that while technical matters relating to a commercial or
legal dispute MAY be in scope, details of a commercial or legal nature
are NOT permitted. This includes, but is not limited to, naming the
parties involved or including any details of the individuals employed
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good, however personal attacks, name and shame attempts, or flaming
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It would be worthwhile for new list subscribers to become familiar
with the posters on the list before jumping in. Some of the list
members have spent many years in their field and are experts.
Their experience is a resource to be valued. Also remember that there
isn't always a direct correlation between the number of posts by a poster
and their expertise level.
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There are indeed a lot of experienced network professionals on the AusNOG
list, however there are also an equal number of people new to the
industry. The list is NOT your personal free 'tech support' list, NOR is
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1. Have I searched the list archives?
(hint Google "site:lists.ausnog.net <query string>"
2. Have I searched Google or other places broadly?
3. Does my own team or company, internally, know about this or
4. Is this post actually on charter? (Have I read the charter?!?)
5. Is there a more appropriate forum for this question (vendor
or technology specific)?
If after that, you are still stuck, unsure, or simply in the dark
please construct an intelligent post, being clear as to what your
problem is, what you have/have not tried, and what you actually
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(operationally related) issue with issuance of the 'STOP THREAD', please
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Operations lists are often used when it's, whatever "it" is, not working
as you think it should. In these situations please contact contact the
other party directly. If you do discover something of network operational
technical interest please share it with the list through an intelligent
and fact filled post free from finger pointing and non-technical criticism
(see "Professional Respect").
We are seeing problems with packets to ISP X disappearing into the
ether at A.B.C.D, but only when traversing ISP Y and ISP Z.
This only happens on the waxing moon from a random set of IP addresses.
Has anyone else seen this problem? How did you resolve it?
We have not been able to get in touch with either ISP Y or ISP Z
through the normal channels and I'm not sure they are aware of it.
AweSome Nets Limited
Can someone from ISP X please contact me off list. You are broken.
Dolt Network Services Pty Ltd
Please make sure that if you do use an auto-responder, it's configured
to not auto-respond to list e-mail. If it does, your list membership
will, in all probability, be suspended until it's fixed.
The AusNOG mailing list is reactively moderated - that is to say that
posts will be delivered to members immediately, but if the moderators
see the list being abused the abuser(s) will be asked to refrain from
their activities. If the abuser(s) does not cease, their list
subscription will be set to moderated mode, requiring all future posts
to be moderator approved. Further inappropriate activity may result in
the list member being removed. The AusNOG board reserve the right to
remove posts from the archive that do not follow this charter.
If the board believes a thread does not follow this charter, the board
may request that no more posts to the thread be sent. It is expected that
all subscribers follow this direction.
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Moderators may be appointed at the Board's choosing. AusNOG Pty Ltd and
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ramifications, content, or intent of any posting made to the AusNOG
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removal of a post from archives, removal of posting privileges, or the
removal of subscription rights.
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